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Gabriel of Ravn · May 29, 2010, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

When injecting GW with a supposedly working bot one will not realize what their actually doing until they have used it to gain something.

You're kidding right if I were to go download a bot I'm not downloading something that will supposedly make my GW look better no I'm downloading a bot meaning I go and specifically look for it and click download how would I supposedly not know that.

StormX · May 29, 2010, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

In real life we know what's wrong and what's not mostly so when you guys say "they knew it was wrong"...that's not really true because there are diff levels of doing wrong so one does not instantly realize that in the virtual world. When injecting GW with a supposedly working bot one will not realize what their actually doing until they have used it to gain something... I think I explained my point clearly...because when I realized what it was capable of I quit immediately but Anet doesn't care.

so you d/led and ran the bot without knowing what you were doing. oh right. did you by any chance log onto GW while you were sleeping? sonambulism maybe? Or perhaps you were under the influence? tripping? in an altered state of consciousness?

that's just really poor. you made a mistake, at least you acknowledge that. that doesn't excuse you from facing the consequences

Inde · May 29, 2010, 02:02 PM // 14:02

Everyone, a reminder. We do not tolerate flaming, personal attacks or insults. Keep it civil.

maddigit · May 29, 2010, 02:31 PM // 14:31

"What we have here, is a failure to communicate."

I just don't understand why all the banned people think arguing their case here will get their accounts back. This is the wrong place.

Maybe start a new forum named "Dhuums realm" for the banned to type out their frustrations.

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Gabriel of Ravn

You're kidding right if I were to go download a bot I'm not downloading something that will supposedly make my GW look better no I'm downloading a bot meaning I go and specifically look for it and click download how would I supposedly not know that.

I'm not sure if I'm aloud to mention the name...probably not but if mod wants to edit please.

Have you heard of gwca(not the name of the actual bot)? Well when i heard about it I didn't believe it...so I tried it out and well it worked in pvp(RA) but of course i then realized how much wrong it really was because it was too easy to...well...interrupt things.

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

So wait, they're not at fault because they don't know what is illicit conduct or not, and say its not their fault when they don't read the document they're supposed to read that explains said conduct and have to agree to before playing?

Oh ok, just making sure that's the argument you want to go with.

No, a lot of people don't read it word for word, but that doesn't diminish the responsibility and culpability of the person. "But officer, everyone else was speeding too!" doesn't work in real life and it doesn't work here.

The officer won't send them to jail forever and that makes sense.

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

To the botters who say they didn't read the EULA and that nobody else did:

Do you really need to read the EULA to know that botting = ban?

I'll freely admit that I never read the EULA. On the other hand, I don't bot and know that botters will and should get a ban.

What what what?

1. You go to a bot site
2. You find a certain bot, let's say "raptor farm bot"
3. You read what it does, how it works, what you need to do to set it up
4. You download it
5. You install it
6. You run it
7. You finally figure out what you are doing?

That is essentially your reasoning, or am I missing something?

Nope.

1. I wasn't told anything about the bot specifically or I didn't go read every little detail on rupting bots in pvp.
2. I searched google...gave me a link..
3. 1 2 3 i was rupting patient spirit like nothing
4. and the i quit bc i was sure if i continued it would get me banned...

but the case here is that anet banned anyone who ever injected the dll or any bot dll/etc etc for unapproved 3rd p programs

IlikeGW · May 29, 2010, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

but the case here is that anet banned anyone who ever injected the dll or any bot dll/etc etc for unapproved 3rd p programs

So Anet did what they're supposed to do. No bots doesn't mean you can use a bot for 5 minutes or a week or a month and only a guy using it for a year gets banned. This is something people made up in their head that was a bad gamble.

El Presidente · May 29, 2010, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by maddigit

Maybe start a new forum named "Dhuums realm" for the banned to type out their frustrations.

...and give only those that were Dhuum banned access so they may whine/cry/support each other ~ because I'd guess most here aren't going to be sympathetic to "players" like them...

The ones that were rightfully banned contributed nothing positive to the game, playerbase, etc. while botting, match manipulating and such. Sure, they made so-called "friends" (but, irl, criminals also commonly associate with one another).

So ~ Why allow them access (here) now? What can those banned now contribute (in a positive way) to this and other forums? They can't buy/sell/trade because they have no items, they have no account(s). They can't post links, names of botters, etc. to stay away from. They seem to only post here...but most of their rants are them trying to justify their actions as something trivial, pleading to the masses to try and get a slap on the wrist, or claiming ignorance / denying they did anything wrong. Some (very few), however, did own up...

Almost every other type of "I got banned" thread was closed by a mod, very fast, with a "we can't do anything for you here, please contact support" reply. Why allow these threads to stay open?

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

So Anet did what they're supposed to do. No bots doesn't mean you can use a bot for 5 minutes or a week or a month and only a guy using it for a year gets banned. This is something people made up in their head that was a bad gamble.

Well a good lesson anyway. Never use bots EVAAAR

amaretto creme · May 29, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Well a good lesson anyway. Never use bots EVAAAR

Well, it's good that you learned your lesson. That doesn't mean that ANet or NCSoft should give back ANYONE'S account and/or allow them to play again based on their word that they "learned their lesson." To be able to enforce what people agree to, there must be no leniency. It's also true that, even if you used the bot for 2 seconds then thought it was wrong, you still had the intention to use it at some point, or you wouldn't have even downloaded it. They specifically say that if you use any 3 party game altering programs you are subject to a permanent ban. They never state about how long or your intentions with it. Why? Because so many people could and WOULD use that against them for a loophole. What they see is that you used a bot, and that's it.

I know, it sucks that you got banned after you had a change of heart before you might have used it for its purpose, or even after you used it once. Change of heart doesn't matter though. You. Used. A. Bot. End of story. It doesn't matter the time frame, it matters that you had downloaded it and used it, and that's exactly how they see it.

For those of you pleading ignorance of the user agreement that you HAVE to agree to before gameplay, next time, read it. Just because you didn't read it doesn't exempt you from the rules of it. That's your own fault for not reading it and/or not following the rules of it. You only have yourself to blame for your ban.

Btw, I'm not trying to personally attack you Zain, or even anyone else, I'm just saying this once for everyone who is trying to use the "I had a change of heart" reason and the "I didn't know" reason to get their accounts back (as I know there's so many people who are). Once again, if you had a change of heart, or you REALLY didn't know you couldn't use it, I feel sorry for you, but you still only have yourself to blame for falling victim to thinking it was okay by any means (boredom, peer pressure, whatever). If you had a change of heart, you knew it was wrong. If you really didn't know, you should have researched to see if you were really allowed to use it. Sorry for your loss, but there's nothing they, or any of us, can do.

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by amaretto creme

Well, it's good that you learned your lesson. That doesn't mean that ANet or NCSoft should give back ANYONE'S account and/or allow them to play again based on their word that they "learned their lesson." To be able to enforce what people agree to, there must be no leniency. It's also true that, even if you used the bot for 2 seconds then thought it was wrong, you still had the intention to use it at some point, or you wouldn't have even downloaded it. They specifically say that if you use any 3 party game altering programs you are subject to a permanent ban. They never state about how long or your intentions with it. Why? Because so many people could and WOULD use that against them for a loophole. What they see is that you used a bot, and that's it.

I know, it sucks that you got banned after you had a change of heart before you might have used it for its purpose, or even after you used it once. Change of heart doesn't matter though. You. Used. A. Bot. End of story. It doesn't matter the time frame, it matters that you had downloaded it and used it, and that's exactly how they see it.

For those of you pleading ignorance of the user agreement that you HAVE to agree to before gameplay, next time, read it. Just because you didn't read it doesn't exempt you from the rules of it. That's your own fault for not reading it and/or not following the rules of it. You only have yourself to blame for your ban.

Btw, I'm not trying to personally attack you Zain, or even anyone else, I'm just saying this once for everyone who is trying to use the "I had a change of heart" reason and the "I didn't know" reason to get their accounts back (as I know there's so many people who are). Once again, if you had a change of heart, or you REALLY didn't know you couldn't use it, I feel sorry for you, but you still only have yourself to blame for falling victim to thinking it was okay by any means (boredom, peer pressure, whatever). If you had a change of heart, you knew it was wrong. If you really didn't know, you should have researched to see if you were really allowed to use it. Sorry for your loss, but there's nothing they, or any of us, can do.

Yea, i feel so bad about using it now...

Now if only I knew someone at Anet personally...then i could get my account back.

lishi · May 29, 2010, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I'm not gonna discuss on the penalty the botter received as i do believe that the best way to stop casual botting (AKA : not the gold farming company) its not just ban the account one don't care about but :

But i must say that the community manager managing was very very poor, ignoring the problem might have let them catch few more botters, but probably those botter would not actually started if anet just released something on the line :

"We are aware of the botting problem, the response to this might not be immediate, but we do keep a log of everything happening in this game. And we are not limited to take action on the account who did the botting.

That probably would have stopped few people i know (and many probably i dont know) from falling to the dark side. Sure some of you might say, we are better off. No, they are no asshole, they are helpful player who made a very bad choice. And as such probably the game is less without them.

While anet have clearly the right to do what they did, also if they had taken action on the epic long thread on botting the problem could be much more contained. Since we are full of real life analogy : "Speeding on a road where the limit is 50km/h is punished even if the limit was not well displayed, but a good administration will take action so that a driver will not surpass the limit in the first place"

I'm said this even if i know very well that Regina and the other CM have much better credential of me in their job, but that is what i feel.

Trub · May 29, 2010, 06:27 PM // 18:27

I'm sorry.
I don't need (ANet) to become all paternal on me.
I know how to read, and the EULA is very clear:
Don't break these rules, and you can play till we say stop.

We don't need a gaming company holding our hands...we have enough scruples to figure out right and wrong for goodness sakes.
(If you feel YOU don't, get out of GW.)

Ghost Dog · May 29, 2010, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by lishi

I'm not gonna discuss on the penalty the botter received as i do believe that the best way to stop casual botting (AKA : not the gold farming company) its not just ban the account one don't care about but :

But i must say that the community manager managing was very very poor, ignoring the problem might have let them catch few more botters, but probably those botter would not actually started if anet just released something on the line :

"We are aware of the botting problem, the response to this might not be immediate, but we do keep a log of everything happening in this game. And we are not limited to take action on the account who did the botting.

That probably would have stopped few people i know (and many probably i dont know) from falling to the dark side. Sure some of you might say, we are better off. No, they are no asshole, they are helpful player who made a very bad choice. And as such probably the game is less without them.

While anet have clearly the right to do what they did, also if they had taken action on the epic long thread on botting the problem could be much more contained. Since we are full of real life analogy : "Speeding on a road where the limit is 50km/h is punished even if the limit was not well displayed, but a good administration will take action so that a driver will not surpass the limit in the first place"

I'm said this even if i know very well that Regina and the other CM have much better credential of me in their job, but that is what i feel.

Stop letting people walk all over you, they aren't assholes? They sure made an assholes decision.

Bet me money that if you caught them and said don't bot they would have flamed you for psychological self defense at least.

Ka Tet · May 29, 2010, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Yea, i feel so bad about using it now...

Now if only I knew someone at Anet personally...then i could get my account back.

You should have programmed it to do a conga line, and you only would have lost your cape.

lishi · May 29, 2010, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

Stop letting people walk all over you, they aren't assholes? They sure made an assholes decision.

Bet me money that if you caught them and said don't bot they would have flamed you for psychological self defense at least.

You knowledge of people you don't know surprise me.

PuppyEater · May 29, 2010, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Are you seriously suggesting this for someone who was banned for breaking the EULA?

It's like people don't understand the meaning of "I agree"

Apparently they live in an alternate universe where the "I didn't read the contract therefore I'm exempt from whatever it says" argument flies....

amaretto creme · May 29, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

People just don't take responsibility for their own ignorance/stupidity anymore. It happens more and more every day, sadly.

If someone's integrity is compromised even for a minute and they break down and do something they shouldn't, they're still doing something they shouldn't, no matter how sorry they are about it afterward. Peer pressure is something that helps this happen a lot, even in real life. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. Only you can blame yourself for doing something you know you shouldn't. Only you can blame yourself for not being knowledgeable about a situation before doing it. I know, I've done something I shouldn't before, and just because I and my friends weren't knowledgeable about the laws and the property, it didn't matter. We still broke the law, good thing is no charges were pressed, but that doesn't stop them from coming to me and saying "you broke the law, you might be charged" because I DID do something wrong.

Move Down · May 30, 2010, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Most botters prob dont care about there ban and buy new account and start over.
But the people that worked hard and got banned for no reason will think twice before they ever buy a ncsoft game again.
So you will get only more botters and less players the way it goes now